July 8th, 2021, I was interviewed on the Joni and Friends Podcast. Below you’ll find the episode transcript. You can listen to the podcast by visiting Joni and Friends here.
I’m Crystal Keating and this is the Joni and Friends Ministry Podcast. Each week, we’re bringing
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past three and a half years, Heather Hart has only enjoyed one day without a migraine. Her
prayer has been that God would use the pain for his glory, but that doesn’t make it easy. Being in
pain all the time is hard and really, being in pain anytime is hard, whether you have a headache,
backache, arthritis. When we feel miserable, we can let that awful feeling consume us, but as
Heather will share, God doesn’t give us more than we can handle with him in our hearts.
Heather is here today to tell us a little bit of her own story and how the Lord has met her
through chronic pain. Welcome to the podcast, Heather.
Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be here.
So, I thought we’d start this conversation by going back to the day your life dramatically
changed. As you entered into this long season of chronic migraines, Heather, looking back, did
anything trigger your pain? And at the time, how did you and your family make sense of what
At the very beginning, I really had no idea what was happening. There was really no way to know
that that one day was going to change everything. In June of 2017, my family and I went on a
camping trip with our youth group, where we were sleeping outside, hiking in the mountains,
and just praising God. It was an amazing trip. Shortly before we left for that trip, I had met with
my doctor because I had started to put on a little bit of weight and he assured me it was totally
normal for women to gain some weight after their 30th birthday. I still wasn’t thrilled about
that. I’m mean, I don’t know a lot of women that would be.
So even though my family was super active. We go hiking every weekend. My husband and I
went for walks every morning before he left for work.
The morning my migraine started, I was on my bedroom floor planking. And I’m not normally
an exercise person, but I was trying to lose that little bit of weight. And so, as I’m laying there on
the floor on my arms, my head started to hurt and I’m like, “Well, that’s weird.” And I ignored it
for a few seconds. And I’m like, “Nope, I just can’t do this.” It was getting worse and worse. And
so, I finally laid down to take a nap, and three days later, my head still hurt because that was on
a Friday, so I had to wait until Monday to go see my doctor. And he was like, “Oh, well, it’s a
migraine. Here’s the migraine medicine. Go home and go to bed.” And so, I did. And the next
week I was in his office because it still hadn’t gone away.
I’m like, “How can my head hurt this bad for so long? Something is wrong.” And so, he admitted
me to hospital for observation, and we live in a super small town. So, while we have an amazing
hospital, there aren’t any specialists or anything here. So, after those 24 hours, they had to
transfer me to a larger hospital with a neurologist on staff who could look at what was going on.
And that whole kind of season was a blur, that whole few weeks there. But my head hurt so bad I
just didn’t process a whole lot. I didn’t open my eyes a whole lot. I was just in pain. My migraine
still hurt, or my head still hurt, but I was no longer running a fever and I didn’t even know I was
running a fever. Nobody told me that, or maybe they did, and I don’t remember.
So, were you in bed the whole time, like in a hospital bed and were they doing testing?
Yes. Yeah, they did lots of tests. I had MRIs and CT scans and EKGs. And they did a spinal tap to
check my spinal pressure.
And that’s when they found out that I had meningitis.
Oh, my goodness.
But nobody told me that or if they did, I don’t remember. So, I didn’t find out I had meningitis
for several months and I was at one of my doctor’s appointments, like, “Oh yeah, you’re
recovering from meningitis.” And I’m like, “I am?”
Well, so tell us a little bit about meningitis so that we understand maybe the correlation of what
Meningitis is a bacteria that gets into your spinal cord. It can actually be life-threatening. It was
a very serious illness. And it changed the pressure in my spinal column, which is what was
making my head hurt. But like I said, the meningitis went away, and my migraine didn’t. So, he
actually told me there wasn’t a whole lot the health community knew about head injuries and
migraines, but he would just keep trying to help me as best as he could.
Right. So now you’re back home. You don’t have meningitis anymore, but you’re living with
How are you processing this with your family?
One day at a time. That’s really the only thing I can see to do is just keep putting one foot in the
other and do as much as I can. And that’s it. That’s all I can do.
Right. We’ve heard from so many people who write into Joni and Friends who talk about no
matter what your pain is, it’s so distracting.
Toothache, a headache, something as terrible as kidney stones, it is so hard to focus. And so,
when I think about our relationship with Christ and how we often enter into that time of
worship, through reading and praying and thinking; anything that requires brain power is so
difficult when we’re in pain. Right? And so, I could see how that would impact our faith.
Faith can suffer because reading our Bibles and sitting down to pray can feel hopeless when it
consumes our thoughts. So Heather, for you, as you’re back home, how did your pain impact
Well, I had to acknowledge that I wasn’t the same person that I was before. It wasn’t going to
work to go sit out on my picnic table every morning and read my Bible because I couldn’t focus
on the words. I couldn’t always sit up. So, I started listening to an audio Bible and that has
helped me so much. I don’t always process the words, but I know it’s still there. And so that’s
been a huge game changer to me. But I also remember when I was in the hospital, I had
Christian music playing in the background quietly in my room, just because I needed that
connection to Jesus. I was in so much pain. I needed to know that he was there with me. And I
had several nurses actually tell me that my room was their favorite room to come into because
the atmosphere was different. It was welcoming. And so even though I was in no condition to
witness to these nurses, God was still there, and he was doing it for himself.
Probably the peace that they experienced when they entered your room. And there is a calmness
in the midst of a Christian’s life, especially when worship music is playing, that sets our minds
heavenward and on the Lord.
Wow. So, I’m interested to also know how it was for you as a wife and a mother. I know as a
Christian woman, you take those relationships very seriously. I was reading that you started
reminding yourself of your calling and how that helped you get focused through pain. It sounds
like you really wrestled through your role as a wife and a mother and the many responsibilities
you wanted to fulfill. And it sounds like you began to feel less than because the pain often made
it difficult to do what you wanted to do for your family. And I bet many people in pain can really
relate to this struggle. So, I’d love if you could share what it was like for you, especially in your
first year of pain.
Definitely. I remember this one morning I was laying in bed and my head hurts so bad. I was
like, “You know what? I’m just done. How can I get out of all of these things that God has called
me to do?” And it was those few words that really just caught me in my tracks. If God has called
me to do these things, who am I to throw in the towel? And even though my head hurts so bad, I
remembered 1 Thessalonians 5:24. It’s one of the Bible verses that I’ve memorized. And it says,
“He who calls you is faithful and he will do it.”
Oh, that’s so good.
It’s been a great reminder for me through this whole thing is that it’s not up to me, that if I can’t
get to it, it’s okay. But if God’s called me to do it, then he’s the one that’s going to make it
happen. That’s always been helpful to me, but I’ve also had to deal with the fact that as the time
has gone on, he has started taking some things away so I could concentrate on my health. And so
that was always really hard, was to lose something, like not being able to go to my kids’ sporting
events. As a mom, that has been super hard for me, but God reminds me that there’s no
condemnation for us to belong to him and that my family’s not mad at me. It really hurts your
heart when your daughter writes a paper at school and says, “I wish my mom would smile
more.” Because you’re just in so much pain, you can’t smile. And so, all the little things like that
are just crushing as a mother.
So, God’s really grown our entire family through this.
Yeah. I’m sure they long to see you free from that pain. They long to see you with the joy that
they know you want to have. And yet even in that time of pain, you are able to really point them
to the Lord. I just remember what Joni has said when she gets up in the morning and she is in so
much pain, she always prays, “Lord. I don’t have a smile, but let me borrow yours,” or “I don’t
have the joy. I can’t do this, but I know you can because I can do all things through Christ who
And I hear that as your prayer as well. Well, Heather, the pain you feel must impact your day-today interactions with not only your family, but your friends. And I have to mention that I was
really drawn to one of the dedications of your book. You wrote this to your prayer partner. I love
that you have a prayer partner. We all need people who are willing to link arms with us to pray
consistently for something. But you wrote, “Thank you for always being there for me, for caring
about more than my migraines, and for reminding me that life isn’t all about me.” And I think if
we’re in any type of pain or any kind of emotional anguish, it’s easy to focus on ourselves. So
how has your family and church community come alongside you in helpful ways through this,
even to pull you outside of the pain that you’re experiencing?
Well, my church family has been absolutely amazing. They pick up my kids from school. They
bring us food. And I have never been on the receiving end of so many prayers. It’s blown me
away. The women’s ministry leader at our church has become my best friend. She takes me to
virtually all of my doctor’s appointments because I can no longer drive myself, because when
your head hurts, you don’t process things and driving a car isn’t what you should be doing. But
she’s encouraged me beyond that to attend more functions when I would rather be at home in
bed because my head hurts. She knows that I need the fellowship, so she’ll draw me out. When
she takes me to the doctor’s appointment, we don’t just go to the doctor and come home. She’s
like, “Oh, let’s go out to eat.”
And I’m like, “My head hurts, but okay.” I needed that. She knows there’s more to life than pain.
She helps me through that. But also, my prayer partner that you mentioned, she actually
contacted me so that I could pray with her about something. And that was huge at that time in
my journey, because I really was just like, “I hurt. I need prayer. I need, I need, I need…” And
she’s like, “Would you pray with me about this?” And I’m like, “Oh, you know what? I will.” And
it was just kind of like a life-altering shift because even when she asked me if I need prayer, she’s
not asking, “How’s your head today?” She’s asking, “How’s your family doing? How’s your
husband doing at work? What about your son that’s graduating, how are things going with
him?” She helps remind me that yes, I’m in pain. And I didn’t forget any of the other things, but
it’s nice to know that somebody else hasn’t either.
That’s so important. I think that’s God’s grace in our lives I think when we have someone who’s
willing to gently nudge us towards the things that we really need. We need fellowship.
We need connections. We need to continue to care deeply about our friends and our family. And
so, for her to also feel like, “Oh, I’m comfortable enough that I know that she can pray for me.
Even in the midst of her pain, I need that.” And this is going to be a mutual relationship, not just
one where she’s helping you. And I love that. That’s really key to remember. And I think that
draws us out of that tendency to sink into despair and depression because pain can be so
isolating. And so, when we are able to, and not even able, but when we choose to focus on
someone else, God-ward, that really changes our perspective.
Even talking it out, I want to add. If she does ask me about my pain or if she asks how I’m doing
and I say, “My head hurts really bad,” we’ll be able to talk those things out and she leads me
back to Christ every time, that God is still good. And sometimes it’s those conversations that are
just such a blessing in my day.
I think there is a sense where when we have someone safe that we can really process what we’re
going through and we feel received, accepted, understood, even if that other person hasn’t
experienced the kind of pain we have, there’s something really cleansing about that and helps us
move to the next step in the day.
And it helps us. At least for me, helps me to clear my mind of what’s going on so I can kind of
remove the fog of seeing God and renewing my faith. So that is so important. Well, Heather, as
we close our time together, what are some of the ways you’ve experienced God’s particular care
through pain? And I mean clear, tangible ways that you know without a doubt, God was
ministering to you, working in and through you through mind-bending migraines.
Well, I think I can tell that he has grown my faith so much through this, but I’ve also had other
people come to me and say, they don’t know how I do it and I’m able to respond that I’m not,
that it’s not that I’m some Christian superhero, but more that God is good and all we can do is
lean into him. It’s one of those things that I always thought that I knew. But before I went into
this season of migraines, it was more of a head knowledge and not a heart knowledge. And now
it is just so much. I know I can’t get through each day without Jesus. If I can’t do anything else
because my head hurts too bad, it doesn’t hurt so bad that I can’t cling to him.
Amen. And that is such a comforting thought to think, “Lord, I can’t do it, but you can.” And
even to be able to share with others, “You know what? The Lord is faithful. He’s always there.
His promises are true. And that is where I’m going to find my hope.” Heather, thanks for joining
us on the podcast today. Thanks for sharing openly about your own story and may the Lord
strengthen and comfort you today.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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